|Dark Horse to Reboot Alien-Predator Comics!
||[Oct. 11th, 2013|12:44 am]
Dark Horse to Reboot Alien-Predator Comics!|
Something of a little rant here considering how big of an Alien and Predator geek that I am but I honestly cannot withstand holding my feelings in anymore regarding this news. Upon hearing that there were going to be new Alien and Predator comics to be released, I was happy to hear them but now after reading articles on them, I cannot say that I am exactly to thrilled about the news anymore.
Seems as if Dark Horse didn’t get the memo that Prometheus, PREDATORS and AvP aren’t really meant to connect with each other.
When it comes to continuity and canon, I do my best to keep track of what is canon and what isn’t. The reason being is because I have characters who are inspired from the Alien-Predator universe and are based in these particular universes. I also like to use canon materials to cite when it comes to debates every now and then. Because I use these sources for citing when it comes to debates, I have to know what is canon and what isn’t.
When it comes to works of fiction like Star Wars, Star Trek, or whatever science fiction genre that is founded on television or even the silver screen there is one rule which must be abide by. The films are the primary source of canon. There is no exception, and if we take the Word of God trope into account, that too is considered to be primary canon as well. However when it comes to Expanded Universe material such as comics, games, and even novels— this is considered to be secondary canon.
However in the case of expanded universe material, if it does contradict the primary source material then they are and should not be considered canon at all whatsoever. Even if they go against Word of God, then they should not be considered canon.
Upon reading the articles, it seems as if the Alien-Predator franchises are having a reboot in the expanded universe material. However this isn’t necessarily the first time that the Alien-Predator universe has had something of a reboot. Ignoring the Yautja Mythos, John Shirely had written Predator: Forever Midnight which introduced the Hish mythos… A mythos perhaps better left forgotten.
But with his new reboot regarding the Alien-Predator comics, it seems as if the team of Robinson, Tobin, Williamson, Sebela didn’t really get the memo when it comes to combining Prometheus, Alien, AvP, and PREDATORS.
Regarding PREDATORS, Robert Rodriguez has made it rather clear that his movie takes place after the original PREDATOR. He has even stated so in a webchat interview at Troublemaker Studios.
"I originally conceived it back in the day and they had already done Predator 2, and I… pretended that didn’t exist and I just went right to Predator 1 and wrote this as a follow up to Predator 1. Which is why this will be Predator and PREDATORS. Almost like ALIEN and ALIENS."
Robert Rodriguez has expressed his disgust with Predator 2 and his film doesn’t even reference Predator 2 at all, let alone the AvP films. However considering that Predator 2 was filmed in 1990 but the plot setting was set in a futuristic 1997, and since the AvP films are likely follow up sequels to Predator 2 seem to present conflicting timelines.
In the case of Prometheus, a similar ideal is held. Numerous sources have stated that Ridley Scott, when questioned about Prometheus and a potential connection with Alien vs Predator apparently stated that Prometheus has nothing to do with Predator or AvP, and that Alien and Predator meeting can’t happen because they are different universes.
Also to be noted, Lindelof had approached Ridley Scott about referencing Alien vs Predator in Prometheus:
"You mean in terms of Charles Bishop Weyland? Look, as to what’s canon and what’s not canon, for me as a screenwriter it’s transcended by Ridley as a director. Here’s the thing. Ridley invented this. He created this Alien universe. He birthed it out of his own heart and soul. So he gets to do whatever it is he wants to do and he wanted to use Weyland as a conduit in the story, and was not interested at all when I said to him, ‘You know, Weyland was a character in one of the Alien Vs. Predator movies,’ he just sort of looked at me like I had just slapped him in the face. That was the beginning, middle and end of all Alien Vs. Predator references in our story process."
Again, conflicting with the timeline— the TED Weyland Corp site lists that Weyland Industries was founded October 11th, 2012. In Alien vs Predator, Weyland Industries was formed prior to 2004 and merged with Weyland-Yutani in 2030 (Predator: Concrete Jungle).
From the words of Robert Rodriguez and Ridley Scott, it sounds like that Predator 2, AvP, and AvP-R are retconned and perhaps likely thrown out the window. But this doesn’t seem to be the case as neither Rodriguez nor Scott have the intellectual rights to Alien and Predator, the rights belong to Twentieth Century Fox. And Twentieth Century Fox doesn’t even bother in declaring what is canon and non-canon, or even bother in making any retcons— ultimately this leaves the fans of the Alien-Predator franchises to determine what is canon and what isn’t canon.
Considering that Predator 2 was set in a futuristic 1997, and that the AvP films are connected with Predator 2 (Alien skull in the trophy room)— it’s likely that Predator 2 and the AvP films are just one separate continuity/timline from Robert Rodriguez’s PREDATORS and Ridley Scott’s Prometheus. And this particular timeline which includes Predator 2 and the AvP films has already twenty years of EU material to work with, some stories requiring closure! Three World War ended with an open note!
So if you count Predator, Predator 2, AvP, AvP-R, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection along with the comic publications from 1988 to 2009, you essentially have one timeline. One already unified timeline where the Aliens and Predators already occupy.
Now if we take Robert Rodriguez’s Word of God, we have Predator and PREDATORS. One must ignore Predator 2 to AvP-R along with the twenty something years of EU. You already have another timeline.
Now if we take Ridley Scott’s Word of God, we have Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection— assuming we ignore Alien novels like Original Sin and so on, we have another timeline but omitting anything to do with AvP and Predator.
Now this new rebooted timeline combines Predator, Predator 2, Predators, Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection but forms a whole new Alien vs. Predator conflict. Now if we consider Rodriguez’s and Ridley Scott’s Word of God Tropes, this presents some problems to where this comic reboot fits within canon if it’s trying to pass itself off as such since Predator 2, AvP PREDATORS, and Prometheus don’t necessarily go together and weren’t meant to.
I’m sure that the stories will be interesting and perhaps even good to read, but already I have doubts that I would ever consider them to be canon whatsoever.
It’ll be annoying that the average Joe Blow will be thinking that it all goes together like Peanut Butter and Jelly when it’s far more complicated than that.. Ugh!